connective N3 common casualpolitewritten

〜と同じで — the same as ~

〜と同じで・とおなじで

Meaning

the same as ~ / just like ~ — states two things are identical, then continues the sentence (で = て-form of だ)

と同おなじ ('the same as ~') with で, the て-form of the copula, lets 'X is the same as Y' lead into a further clause: 去年きょねんと同おなじで、今年ことしも暑あつい ('same as last year, this year is hot too'). The plain noun-modifying form is と同おなじ + noun (私わたしと同おなじ意見いけん, 'the same opinion as me'); と同おなじだ ends a sentence with it. と同おなじで means *identical in kind*, not merely close in degree.

Key sentence

私わたしの答こたえは田中たなかさんと同おなじで、反対はんたいです。

My answer is the same as Tanaka's — I'm against it.

Formation

Attaches to	Form	Example
Noun + と同じ (＋で / ＋だ / ＋N)	N + と同おなじで / と同おなじN / と同おなじだ	前まえと同おなじで / これと同おなじ色いろ

Examples

去年きょねんと同おなじで、今年ことしも人手不足ひとでぶそくだ。

Same as last year, we're short-handed again this year.

値段ねだんは前まえと同おなじで、量りょうが減へった。

The price is the same as before, but the amount went down.

考かんがえ方かたがあなたと同おなじで、安心あんしんした。

Your way of thinking is the same as mine, which was a relief.

Easily confused with

〜と同じくらいと同おなじで = identical *in kind* ('the same as'); と同おなじくらい = equal *in degree* ('about as ~ as'). Sameness vs equal extent. と (with) The と here is the 'with/as' と that pairs the two compared items (Aと同おなじ), the same particle used for 'A と B' togetherness — not the quotative or conditional と.

Notes

違ちがう takes a different particle — Aと違ちがって ('unlike A'), the natural antonym of Aと同おなじで.

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